Ich habe das so gemeint, dass zum Beispiel das Propionat gerade im Hinblick auf einen Wettkampf viel schneller aus dem Körper ist als Ena.
Und mit dem Propionat kommt es zu geringeren Wassersansammlungen.
Das ist alles nur als Tipp und gut gemeint, dass soll keine Belehrung von mir sein .
Ich habe selbst 8 Jahre internationale MMA Wettkämpfe gemacht und Testosteron Propionat war wirklich der Hauptstoff..
Ich habe das so gemeint, dass zum Beispiel das Propionat gerade im Hinblick auf einen Wettkampf viel schneller aus dem Körper ist als Ena.
Und mit dem Propionat kommt es zu geringeren Wassersansammlungen.
Das ist alles nur als Tipp und gut gemeint, dass soll keine Belehrung von mir sein .
Ich habe selbst 8 Jahre internationale MMA Wettkämpfe gemacht und Testosteron Propionat war wirklich der Hauptstoff..
Okay, all good.
Like I said, I want to go the safer route with more stable levels to keep side effects lower. Even if you had no issues, that’s also genetic, but I’d rather stay on the safe side.
Ich habe das so gemeint, dass zum Beispiel das Propionat gerade im Hinblick auf einen Wettkampf viel schneller aus dem Körper ist als Ena.
Und mit dem Propionat kommt es zu geringeren Wassersansammlungen.
Das ist alles nur als Tipp und gut gemeint, dass soll keine Belehrung von mir sein .
Ich habe selbst 8 Jahre internationale MMA Wettkämpfe gemacht und Testosteron Propionat war wirklich der Hauptstoff..
Week 5 Health & Wellbeing Update – Lean Mass Cycle
Currently in Week 5 of the cycle.
Overall progression remains stable with continued improvements in strength, energy, and general wellbeing.
The first bloodwork was completed at the end of Week 3 to assess estrogen levels and overall hormonal response.
General Wellbeing
Overall health and daily function remain very good.
Energy, concentration, and sleep quality are consistent. Appetite is steady and digestion normal.
No fatigue or notable mood fluctuations.
Training Performance
Strength continues to increase gradually each week.
Pumps are more pronounced and last longer during sessions.
Endurance and recovery between sets have both improved compared to baseline.
Mood & Motivation
Mood and motivation are stable and positive.
Libido remains elevated since Week 3 and consistent.
No irritability, anxiety, or emotional instability observed.
Current Stats
Starting weight: 82 kg
Current weight (Week 5): 91 kg
No visible water retention
Progress photo was taken spontaneously
Bloodwork (End of Week 3)
Purpose: initial hormonal control and estrogen monitoring
Marker
Result
Unit
Reference Range (male)
Comment
Estradiol (E2)
116.4
pg/ml
11.3 – 43.2
Elevated, expected on-cycle
Prolactin
12.82
ng/ml
4.04 – 15.2
Within normal range
Total Testosterone
>1500
ng/dl
249 – 836
Above assay limit
Free Testosterone
>150
pg/ml
12.3 – 46.6
Above assay limit
No signs of nipple sensitivity or estrogen-related side effects at this stage.
A complete blood panel (hematology, liver, kidney, lipid profile) is planned for Week 6–7.
Summary
Now entering Week 5
Bloodwork from end of Week 3 reviewed (E2 elevated but manageable)
About your e2. I'll have the tendency to bring them down. Even if you don't feel anything, it's still high.
You can create the beginning of breast tissue without feeling it and cycle after cycle make it grow without you realizing it (and the moment you realize it... It's too late)
About your e2. I'll have the tendency to bring them down. Even if you don't feel anything, it's still high.
You can create the beginning of breast tissue without feeling it and cycle after cycle make it grow without you realizing it (and the moment you realize it... It's too late)
Before doing your biggest blood test, manage your e2 with an anti-estrogen for 2 weeks and then do your blood test to see if the dose chosen is the right one, if you need more or less.
Before doing your biggest blood test, manage your e2 with an anti-estrogen for 2 weeks and then do your blood test to see if the dose chosen is the right one, if you need more or less.
I actually wanted to wait a few more days before posting this, but since there hasn’t been any significant change recently, I decided to give an update now.
Over the past days, I’ve noticed some slight water retention around the chest area – not a true gynecomastia formation yet, but I want to stay on the safe side since I absolutely want to avoid surgery.
To counter this, I’ve started taking 20mg Tamoxifen Citrate daily for 2 weeks, followed by 10mg daily for another 1–2 weeks.
According to clinical data, Tamoxifen acts as a selective estrogen receptor modulator (SERM), which helps block estrogenic activity in breast tissue and should therefore prevent any further glandular growth.
It also promotes the gradual reduction of water retention and possible mild swelling through receptor blockade and normalization of estrogen metabolism.
Since Tamoxifen is metabolized in the liver into its active form (Endoxifen), I’ve already been supporting liver health from the start of the cycle with TUDCA, NAC, milk thistle, and artichoke extract.
Tomorrow I’ll get a full blood panel done — results should arrive next week.
After that, I’ll begin taking 12.5mg Exemestane (Aromasin) every third day as an aromatase inhibitor to keep estrogen levels controlled while continuing Tamoxifen at 20mg/day.
The bloodwork I’m doing tomorrow is a comprehensive panel, and the next one (in about 4–6 weeks) will focus specifically on prolactin and estradiol (E2).
Next update will follow in about 2–4 weeks once the new estrogen panel is available.
A fresh blood report (including E2 and prolactin) will be uploaded soon, and another follow-up test is planned in about 5–6 weeks.
Summary: • Tamoxifen 20mg ED → planned for 14 days
• Then 10mg ED for 1–2 additional weeks
• Exemestane 12.5mg E3D starting post-bloodwork
• Liver support: TUDCA, NAC, milk thistle, artichoke
• Upcoming: E2 & prolactin panel within 4–6 weeks
Before starting the cycle, I was already a bit worried about gynecomastia and hormone fluctuations.
That mindset made me over-aware — I kept checking my chest several times a day, which only made me more anxious and hyper-focused on every small detail.
Looking back, I probably created a lot of mental pressure and started to see things that weren’t really there.
Everyone reacts differently to estrogen: some people can handle 120–140 pg/ml with no issue, while others already develop symptoms at 50–60.
Estrogen itself isn’t bad — it’s actually anabolic and protective for joints, bones, blood vessels, and the heart.
But since my E2 has been around ~119 pg/ml for almost two weeks, I just want to be safe and avoid any potential progression.
I don’t have sensitivity, itching, or pain — only a bit of water retention, which could also be from creatine, higher food intake, and overall growth.
Still, to be sure, I’ll run Tamoxifen 20 mg daily for two weeks, then 10 mg daily for one more week, and see how things respond.
I’ll also do a blood test tomorrow and likely add a low-dose AI afterward if needed.
If the chest returns to normal, perfect — it means it was probably just water or over-focus.
If not, at least I’ll have acted early and kept it under control.
I always try to keep health first and use the minimal effective dose possible — even though I normally avoid SERMs or AIs unless absolutely necessary.
i dont want to use it but i need to get rid off the water arround my nipple just using it for max 3 weeks even only 2 i already did research Raloxifene would be better with less sides.
Especially since it's 99% in your head honestly (you're overthink and overwatch toi much about your nipples ) . There is nothing on the photos that justifies this use.
And then water is temporary if it's really water .
Or it could be just a little fat if the weight goes up. Fat and water are part of the process when you want to grow. There's no point in wanting to fight against it.
Currently in Week 7 on Testosterone Enanthate 50 mg daily (~350 mg/week) and Anavar 30–40 mg daily for the past 15 days.
Studies show that Anavar and other oral AAS can reduce HDL significantly — around 30–50% within just 2–3 weeks (Miller 1999, Coviello 2005, Zgliczynski 1996).
That matches what I’m seeing in my own results. Overall, everything else looks solid and I’m satisfied with how things are going.
Next Steps:
Pausing Anavar until HDL recovers
Adding 50 g walnuts + 30–40 g olive oil daily (morning & midday)
Continuing health support stack: Omega-3, Citrus Bergamot, Red Yeast Rice, NAC, TUDCA
Using Exemestane 12.5 mg EOD to bring E2 down to ~70–80 pg/mL
Once HDL stabilizes, I’ll reintroduce compounds more carefully and keep tracking all markers.
Und mit dem Propionat kommt es zu geringeren Wassersansammlungen.
Das ist alles nur als Tipp und gut gemeint, dass soll keine Belehrung von mir sein .
Ich habe selbst 8 Jahre internationale MMA Wettkämpfe gemacht und Testosteron Propionat war wirklich der Hauptstoff..
Like I said, I want to go the safer route with more stable levels to keep side effects lower. Even if you had no issues, that’s also genetic, but I’d rather stay on the safe side.
Reactions: dr. DopingSpeak in English so that it is easily readable by all.
Reactions: Deleted member 1146 and dr. DopingIncline Smith Press 2
Chest Fly 2
Side-Delt Machine 2
Dumbbell Lateral Raises 2
Triceps Cable Bar Pushdown 2
Skull Crushers (SZ) 2
Close-Grip Cable Row 3
Rear-Delt Flys 3
Preacher Curls (DB) 2
Hammer Curls (Preacher) 2
Forearm “Sam Sulek Uwu” Curls 2
Adductor Machine 3
Hamstring Curls 3
Hack Squat 3 *
Leg Extension 2
Abductor Machine 3
Incline Dumbbell Press 2
Pec-Dec Flys 2
Cable Lateral Raises 2
Dumbbell Lateral Raises 2
Triceps Overhead Bar Extension 2
Triceps Cable Extension 2
Row (Wide Grip) 3
Rear-Delt Flys 3
Bazian Curls 2 or Preacher Machine 2
Cable Bar Biceps Curl 2
Forearm “Uwu” Curls 2
Currently in Week 5 of the cycle.
Overall progression remains stable with continued improvements in strength, energy, and general wellbeing.
The first bloodwork was completed at the end of Week 3 to assess estrogen levels and overall hormonal response.
Overall health and daily function remain very good.
Energy, concentration, and sleep quality are consistent. Appetite is steady and digestion normal.
No fatigue or notable mood fluctuations.
Strength continues to increase gradually each week.
Pumps are more pronounced and last longer during sessions.
Endurance and recovery between sets have both improved compared to baseline.
Mood and motivation are stable and positive.
Libido remains elevated since Week 3 and consistent.
No irritability, anxiety, or emotional instability observed.
Purpose: initial hormonal control and estrogen monitoring
No signs of nipple sensitivity or estrogen-related side effects at this stage.
A complete blood panel (hematology, liver, kidney, lipid profile) is planned for Week 6–7.
You can create the beginning of breast tissue without feeling it and cycle after cycle make it grow without you realizing it (and the moment you realize it... It's too late)
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Reactions: SalvatoreCorvusI actually wanted to wait a few more days before posting this, but since there hasn’t been any significant change recently, I decided to give an update now.
Over the past days, I’ve noticed some slight water retention around the chest area – not a true gynecomastia formation yet, but I want to stay on the safe side since I absolutely want to avoid surgery.
To counter this, I’ve started taking 20mg Tamoxifen Citrate daily for 2 weeks, followed by 10mg daily for another 1–2 weeks.According to clinical data, Tamoxifen acts as a selective estrogen receptor modulator (SERM), which helps block estrogenic activity in breast tissue and should therefore prevent any further glandular growth.
It also promotes the gradual reduction of water retention and possible mild swelling through receptor blockade and normalization of estrogen metabolism.
Since Tamoxifen is metabolized in the liver into its active form (Endoxifen), I’ve already been supporting liver health from the start of the cycle with TUDCA, NAC, milk thistle, and artichoke extract.
Tomorrow I’ll get a full blood panel done — results should arrive next week.
After that, I’ll begin taking 12.5mg Exemestane (Aromasin) every third day as an aromatase inhibitor to keep estrogen levels controlled while continuing Tamoxifen at 20mg/day.
The bloodwork I’m doing tomorrow is a comprehensive panel, and the next one (in about 4–6 weeks) will focus specifically on prolactin and estradiol (E2).
Next update will follow in about 2–4 weeks once the new estrogen panel is available.
A fresh blood report (including E2 and prolactin) will be uploaded soon, and another follow-up test is planned in about 5–6 weeks.
Summary:
• Tamoxifen 20mg ED → planned for 14 days• Then 10mg ED for 1–2 additional weeks
• Exemestane 12.5mg E3D starting post-bloodwork
• Liver support: TUDCA, NAC, milk thistle, artichoke
• Upcoming: E2 & prolactin panel within 4–6 weeks
Next update once results are in.
Don't overuse medicine.
Reactions: Deleted member 1146That mindset made me over-aware — I kept checking my chest several times a day, which only made me more anxious and hyper-focused on every small detail.
Looking back, I probably created a lot of mental pressure and started to see things that weren’t really there.
Everyone reacts differently to estrogen: some people can handle 120–140 pg/ml with no issue, while others already develop symptoms at 50–60.
Estrogen itself isn’t bad — it’s actually anabolic and protective for joints, bones, blood vessels, and the heart.
But since my E2 has been around ~119 pg/ml for almost two weeks, I just want to be safe and avoid any potential progression.
I don’t have sensitivity, itching, or pain — only a bit of water retention, which could also be from creatine, higher food intake, and overall growth.
Still, to be sure, I’ll run Tamoxifen 20 mg daily for two weeks, then 10 mg daily for one more week, and see how things respond.
I’ll also do a blood test tomorrow and likely add a low-dose AI afterward if needed.
If the chest returns to normal, perfect — it means it was probably just water or over-focus.
If not, at least I’ll have acted early and kept it under control.
I always try to keep health first and use the minimal effective dose possible — even though I normally avoid SERMs or AIs unless absolutely necessary.
Especially since it's 99% in your head honestly (you're overthink and overwatch toi much about your nipples
And then water is temporary if it's really water
Or it could be just a little fat if the weight goes up. Fat and water are part of the process when you want to grow. There's no point in wanting to fight against it.
You're also not at 6% bodyfat so everything is absolutely normal in this area
Studies show that Anavar and other oral AAS can reduce HDL significantly — around 30–50% within just 2–3 weeks (Miller 1999, Coviello 2005, Zgliczynski 1996).
That matches what I’m seeing in my own results. Overall, everything else looks solid and I’m satisfied with how things are going.
Next Steps:
- Pausing Anavar until HDL recovers
- Adding 50 g walnuts + 30–40 g olive oil daily (morning & midday)
- Continuing health support stack: Omega-3, Citrus Bergamot, Red Yeast Rice, NAC, TUDCA
- Using Exemestane 12.5 mg EOD to bring E2 down to ~70–80 pg/mL
Once HDL stabilizes, I’ll reintroduce compounds more carefully and keep tracking all markers.Complete Blood Count (CBC)
- WBC: 8.5 x1000/µL (3.6–10.5)
- RBC: 4.98 million/µL (4.50–5.90)
- Hemoglobin: 14.2 g/dL (13.0–17.0)
- Hematocrit: 41.7% (41.0–54.0)
- MCV: 83.7 fL (80.0–96.0)
- MCH: 28.5 pg (27.0–33.0)
- MCHC: 34.1 g/dL (32.0–36.0)
- RDW: 14.6% (<15.5)
- Platelets: 379 x1000/µL (150–450)
- MPV: 7.3 fL (7.0–13.0)
Differential Blood Count- Neutrophils: 48.7% / 4.1 x10³/µL (40.0–75.0)
- Lymphocytes: 35.3% / 3.0 x10³/µL (20.0–45.0)
- Monocytes: 12.0% / 1.1 x10³/µL (2.0–12.0)
- Eosinophils: 2.4% / 0.2 x10³/µL (<8.0)
- Basophils: 0.6% / 0.1 x10³/µL (<2.0)
Liver Function- Total Bilirubin: 0.60 mg/dL (0.20–1.20)
- Direct Bilirubin: 0.26 mg/dL (<0.50)
- Alkaline Phosphatase (ALP): 84 U/L (40–150)
- AST (GOT): 34 U/L (5–34)
- ALT (GPT): 25 U/L (<55)
- GGT: 15 U/L (12–64)
Lipid Profile- HDL Cholesterol: 27 mg/dL (>40)
- LDL Cholesterol: 94 mg/dL (<130)
- Triglycerides: 53 mg/dL (<150)
Kidney Function- Urea Nitrogen (BUN): 26 mg/dL (10–50)
- Creatinine: 0.80 mg/dL (0.60–1.30)
- eGFR (CKD-EPI): 126 mL/min/1.73m² (>60)
Other Markers- Homocysteine: 6.6 µmol/L (5.0–18.0)
- Albumin: 4.30 g/dL (3.50–5.20)
Hormones