Bulk and Cutting Cycles

pavl said:

Im trying to learn about all exotic compounds as much as i can to use it in the future

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The sad truth is, the stuff that works best is not flashy or exotic at all. The best cycle for putting on mass are dead simple: medium dose of testosterone with primo or EQ to control aromatisation or relatively low dose of test plus masteron. Add GH and run it for 5 months. All exotics are too toxic to be run long term.

pavl said:

Isnt Trestolone the best anabolic compound to run if you want a quick muscle gain?

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You can't gain muscle quickly. If you slam all pathways (androgen, gh, insulin), you could get 1kg of muscle tissue per month. You are just burning your money and especialyl health trying to find a cheat code. Steroids make muscle grow faster than it would naturally, but they aren't a cheat code, since they raise the ceiling so much and add so much more complexity. Also, I'd advise against messing with 19nors until you are atleast 25 since they have even more neurotoxicity than other steroids and your prefrontal cortex is still underdeveloped.

I ran at peak almost 400mg/week Trestolone for 2 months. Along with mast and test. Test about 1g and mast 600. I felt never ever in my life so good and libido... for Christ sake. I tried almost all compounds, but this stack is a stack for mental strength, self-confidence and also physical. I got a little water retention and the gains weren't surprising, but modest. Overall good compound but not as i thought about gains. Maybe stacked with HGH it's another story.

anonymous0221 said:

I ran at peak almost 400mg/week Trestolone for 2 months. Along with mast and test. Test about 1g and mast 600. I felt never ever in my life so good and libido... for Christ sake. I tried almost all compounds, but this stack is a stack for mental strength, self-confidence and also physical. I got a little water retention and the gains weren't surprising, but modest. Overall good compound but not as i thought about gains. Maybe stacked with HGH it's another story.

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how much kg in bodyweight did you gain every month while running that exact cycle?

dr. Doping said:

The sad truth is, the stuff that works best is not flashy or exotic at all. The best cycle for putting on mass are dead simple: medium dose of testosterone with primo or EQ to control aromatisation or relatively low dose of test plus masteron. Add GH and run it for 5 months. All exotics are too toxic to be run long term.

You can't gain muscle quickly. If you slam all pathways (androgen, gh, insulin), you could get 1kg of muscle tissue per month. You are just burning your money and especialyl health trying to find a cheat code. Steroids make muscle grow faster than it would naturally, but they aren't a cheat code, since they raise the ceiling so much and add so much more complexity. Also, I'd advise against messing with 19nors until you are atleast 25 since they have even more neurotoxicity than other steroids and your prefrontal cortex is still underdeveloped.

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so to summerize, if my understanding is right, of all available info and your experiences, the best way to gain muscle quickly (1 kg of muscle a month) longlasting is to stick by the basics with test base, npp and an estrogen inhibiting dht derivitates (maybe hgh if its affordable and all of them dosed so high that you gain at least 1 kg of muscle with as less side effects possible over a long time

pavl said:

the best way to gain muscle quickly

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You can't "gain muscle quickly". Stop asking it that way. The best way to get a significant amount of muscle is to run long but sustainable cycles.

pavl said:

stick by the basics with test base, npp and an estrogen inhibiting dht derivitates

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I'd stay as far away from NPP as possible. It's neurotoxic, aromatises like crazy, does NOT promote collagen synthesys, has a very low concentration, etc.
Also I don't like the term "DHT derivatives". None of the compounds usually thought of in this group have effects anywhere similar to DHT, the only common property they have is they don't aromatise (but there are some "non-DHT derivatives that don't - tbol, halo, tren).
And yes, the point of the secondary anabolic is to control aromatisation, if you are using aromatisable compounds. Ideally, you'd use a trt dose of testosterone and add as much masteron as you need to grow. Since mast is gone everywhere, the next best option is to find the ratio of testosterone and the secondary anabolic (which controls aromatisation, so EQ or primo) and use as much as you need to grow. Orals are not sustainable long term, tren definitively isn't and the rest of injectables are just worse when compared to EQ or primo or mast. Also, get GH asap. It's a gamechanger.

pavl said:

all of them dosed so high that you gain at least 1 kg of muscle with as less side effects possible over a long time

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all of them dosed just as much as you need to grow. And it's not just about side effects, it's about health, so mandatory bloodwork while on cycle.


In conclusion: if you think you will make significant progress in a year, where you do a 2 month blast on 2g of total gear, then have to cruise for 3 months while recovering and keep repeating it, you are very mistaken.